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 Temp calculations
Author:Dave
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 11:32
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi,

The last time I worked a temps desk there was no internet, we still used record cards and temps did not get holiday pay! - yes a long time ago!

Does anyone have a formula or know the percentages that should be used for PAYE/NI/WTD to be added onto the basic hourly rate?

The reason I ask is that I think our firm is grossly off base.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Simple
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 12:17
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi
Holiday pay is 10.1% (up from 8.3%)
NI is 12.8%

So, lets say the hourly rate is £30 an hour to the candidate:

30 + 10.1% = 33.03 (£3.03 is holiday pay)
£33.03 + 12.8% = £37.26 (total cost before you charge a Margin).

Then you add your margin

so, £37.26 at 40%:
37.26 / 0.6 = £62.05 total per hour (plus VAT).

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:??
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 12:36
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi

Simple can i ask if you operate an "open book" policy on your rates?
I am mainly perm but 40% seems high - If your clients are knowingly signing up to that what industry are you in?

I am purely interested!

Thanks

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Simple
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 13:16
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

It doesnt matter what market I am in nor does is matter whether I run an open book policy or not.

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:??
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 13:23
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Apologies if you took offence at my question. I was just curious and not planning to try and step into your market (i have my own).

I wondered if you were maybe in a specific niche market and that was the norm or if you worked across the board in all industries but managed to get what seems a very good margin from your clients...




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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Simple
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 13:40
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

I work in a professionally qualified sector.

All on referal or the ocassional advert.

40% is not high at all.


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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Dave
Date:Monday, 16th Jun 2008 13:48
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Simple,

Thank you kindly for the information and yes they are nearly two percentage points out on the holiday - reassuring not!.

Thanks again.

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Joey
Date:Tuesday, 17th Jun 2008 10:13
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi there,

We did a little exercise with the REC a while back on the new holiday pay, and 10.17% would be a more accurate figure.

I'm not normally one to be a stickler, but it's something you don't want to be caught out on by clients!

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Simple
Date:Tuesday, 17th Jun 2008 10:23
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Always round up what you charge clients and round down what you pay candidates.

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Susan J
Date:Wednesday, 18th Jun 2008 17:09
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Category:Other
URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi

I came into the dicussion forum because we've been having a debate on this very topic - a client has quoted us 26.94% to cover 24 days holiday and employers NI, which looks far too high. Can't decide if we should say nothing as the customer knows best (!) or more likely we've missed a vital element to their calculation! Have got a call out for the client contact but does this figure ring bells with anyone???

thanks

S

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Paul
Date:Thursday, 19th Jun 2008 11:13
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Does seem pretty high. Might be a stupid question though but are you sure they're not asking for 24 days plus Bank Hols? That would pretty much explain the figure.

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Joey
Date:Thursday, 19th Jun 2008 11:32
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

When you say they have quoted you 26.94% to cover 24 days holiday and employers NI, does that include your margin on basic rate perhaps? expenses?

Or is it specifically for WTD/NI?

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Tom Atkinson.
Date:Friday, 20th Jun 2008 20:06
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

Hi Dave,

You might wish to take into account that 12.8% NIers does not necessarily apply to all pay but for pricing purposes, you might wish to assume that it does.

If you use a company as a temp then of course you can revise your cost calculations.

Joey is right that 10.17% is more near the mark but of course holiday pay does not apply to all earnings. Nevertheless, you might want to assume it does for pricing purposes.

Simple is also right to say that NIers applies to holday pay but of course, only if poid. Nevertheless, you might want to assume that it is always paid for your cost calculations.

I hope that the above helps clarify what is not a straight forward formulaic approach.

For me Simple's approach is pragmatic and practical. If you do it his way, you get a good rough and ready cost measure that won't be far out and you can simply add whatever margin you like to get a price that you think you can sell at.

Tom.

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 Re: Temp calculations
Author:Leah
Date:Tuesday, 15th Jul 2008 17:46
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URL:http://web.ukrecruiter.co.uk/forum/Forum/read.php?i=102993

I'm glad I came across this forum as I have been out of doing temps for a year and a half and then the rates change!

Can anyone shed light on how the holiday pay calculation figure of 10.17 is actually arrived at?

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