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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Liz |
| Date: | Friday, 6th Feb 2009 13:20 |
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Are you Monroe Consulting's Andrew?
If so, great that you have found a product that you like.
Chameleoni offers the points that you've mentioned as far as I know.
Training cost me nothing and can be done from any location. Support is superb. Take on board feedback to make improvements. Reasonably priced.
Never heard of the system you talk about and did loads of research prior to selecting Chameleoni. Where did you find out about it out of interest? |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Andy |
| Date: | Monday, 9th Feb 2009 00:51 |
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Well I guess I should take it one person at a time.
1. Judge a book by its cover - It would seem time has jaded you. Not everybody in this world will say something nice because there is something in it for them. I am just a customer of theirs and nothing else. I didn't say the product was better than the ones you mention - just that it met my requirements more than the others did.
2. Tom - I think the first user is free and then better to negotiate prices directly with them as I am sure they would have a sliding scale depending on how many consultants.
3. Bingo Liz - you win a prize! that's me. I actually found an old posting on this forum and decided to take a look at it. I liked the guy i spoke to and I liked the product. I guess for me it was always about being comfortable that I could have a long term business partnership with the company I went for as I have been burnt in the past. |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Roy Snart |
| Date: | Monday, 9th Feb 2009 17:17 |
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Hi Andy,
Are you the same Andy Hairs that said this about our product, RDB ProNet?
"However with all that said, you still have an amazing product and one that was best I had evaluated" and you said that after you had seen the two products mentioned in your post !!
If so, I think we covered the dot net issue in direct e-mail communication but as you have chosen to "go public” again I have to say that we stand by our claim that we offer the only fully dot Net desktop product. We don't expect that situation to remain for ever as we would expect companies to catch up in time. We will, of course, remain the first.
If any company wish to challenge our claim they are welcome to do so and when it is no longer a valid claim we will cease to make it. There is no reason why other companies can not claim that they use dot net and they may well do so, but that in itself doesn't mean that they have a dot net application. A dot net wrapper doesn't in itself doesn’t make for a dot net application. I have no knowledge of the company that you’ve signed up with other than what company’s house tells me so I’m not in a position to judge exactly how dot net their app’ actually is.
Anyway, I am glad that you managed to get what you wanted as I know that price was very important to you. But I still stand by what else I said, and that is that a saving made up front can cost you very dear in the long run.
Roy Snart BA MREC
Managing Director
First Choice Software Ltd
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Andy |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 00:42 |
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Nice to see again Roy. The above posting is just my opinions formed from my searches for new software. If you don't believe me about AgencyDB being a .NET application then why don't you contact the company and ask them.
As you can see from my original posting I made my decision on more than just the product. I also looked at the people I encountered & the attitude of the company. Anyway ... I am not here to get in to a slagging match and I wish you all the best Roy.
While I am here I would also like to clarify that the negative comments contained in my original post are not linked to FileFinder. The people and the product were great ... The only reason a didn't go for it is because I questioned my consultants desire to input the level of information required.
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | markh |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 08:54 |
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Andy, your comment about the system 'suiting you' more than the other ones mentioned above is a good point. Most recruitment packages offer pretty much the same features but deliver it in different ways.
When looking at recruitment software the key is what suits your business and your processes best and not necessarily what has the prettiest cover. A package that suits one recruitment firm may not suit another because of differences in how the firms operate.
Mark |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Roy Snart |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 09:37 |
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Hi Mark,
At First Choice although we keep an eye on the forums we tend not partake unless one of our products is mentioned but whilst I agree entirely with your sentiment about using a product that “suits you” I couldn’t sit idly by while a complete myth was being advanced.
I’m sorry to say it’s an all too common misconception that "Most recruitment packages offer pretty much the same features but deliver it in different ways.” The truth is far from that. For suppliers of cheap(er) products, of course, this myth is a good thing because quite a lot of people will simply plump for a cheap product without even looking at more expensive products that in all probability may actually deliver a far better return on investment.
I would agree that most have the same common end, that of making the job of the recruiter easier etc etc but I'm afraid your statement couldn't be more wrong.
Regards
Roy Snart BA MREC
Managing Director
First Choice Software
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | markh |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 10:34 |
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Roy,
not looking to start an argument, however I have seen your product first hand along with most others in the market.
Almost every package I have seen over the past few years offer a few different features to the rest- and these will either be key to a decision to buy, or completely irrelevant.
The way in which you use the software is the key part- if it forces you too far away from your existing processes it might mean that particular package is not for you.
With respect Roy, all the expensive products push how fantastic their features are, and every software vendor believes their product is best.
If everyone bought purely on price the entire recruitment industry would be using free open source software. If the most bells and whistles was the most important thing we would all be using high end expensive products.
The reality is that it is a combination of price, features and the processes which drive a decision, different horses for courses and all that. |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | GBrown |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 11:37 |
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Stepping away from the argument and back to the OP's post.
I did use AgencyDB a while back and the system, functionality, ability to customise is good and the fact the first license was free was obviously an attraction. I reccomended it on this site.
However, when i worked with them there were a few teething problems and as it was a crucial time in my one man band business i decided to look elsewhere.
The core product is strong and i am sure they have ironed out any issues. I would still say it is well worth checking out.
As far as i am aware the product is .net into SQL but i will let others argue that one out.
Rgds
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Roy Snart |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 12:45 |
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Mark,
This is a forum for discussions, not arguments (and I'm not about to have one either) and I don’t think they are the place to be selling software either so I’ll avoid doing so. I don’t know if you used our old product RDB Pro or our latest one (out for several years now though) RDB ProNet.
Pro first went into development in 1992 (and was copied by some of our competitors in some cases quite blatantly). All the software developers that were around at the time with the exception of half a dozen or so have since gone to the wall (or indeed gone to the wall and pheonixed!) but of those that have remained (including us) all have to a greater or lesser degree picked up on features that were “missing” from their (our) software and added them to a greater or lesser degree. The software vendors ability to pack all the features in is, to an extent, constrained by their systems architecture. There was stuff we just couldn't put into Pro and there is loads of stuff in ProNet that, at the moment, others can't get into theirs.
I agree with you entirely that it is how you use the software is the key part and you shouldn’t have to stray too far from you existing processes (unless of course they are illegal or just plain daft) and that is why we chose our particular architecture for ProNet. Workflow is crucial and many vendors don’t actually demonstrate workflow, preferring screen shots and corporate presentations.
We don’t always win the argument but given a closing rate for ProNet of over 90% post dem, I think that most people, given the chance, do see that all recruitment software is not the same and begin to know what the software vendors already know!
Out of curiosity, to what open source free recruitment software are you referring? I didn’t know that there was any. We used to give RDB Start away for free (over two thousand) but I’ve not heard of any other “free” software.
Regards
Roy |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | markh |
| Date: | Tuesday, 10th Feb 2009 13:28 |
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Roy,
catsone is the free open source software, although I have just noticed they have started to charge for more than 2 users. Not quite sure how they claim to be 'the most popular' ATS on the market.
Mark |
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| Re: Recruitment Software Feedback |
| Author: | Kelvin |
| Date: | Wednesday, 11th Feb 2009 19:21 |
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As a former developer myself, I cannot understand why a recruitment software company uses the fact that they chose the .Net framework as their development environment as a major USP. It's just a development environment. Nothing more - nothing less. There's plenty of rubbish .NET-based software around... not saying that the systems under discussion are rubbish, of course! I haven't seen or used either. |
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