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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | CV databases |
| Date: | Wednesday, 28th Feb 2007 09:22 |
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I have only recently come to reconsider online recruitment.
In recent weeks I have had 'free trial' access to most of the leading CV databases.
My experience is that each board attempts to sell on the size and reach of their database.
However, the quality is universally dreadful.
I did not find a single CV of an individual worth a face to face interview - chock full of also rans..
I wasn't surprised, as the candidates I am looking for are usually successful, comfortable and not actually looking for a move.
I review this from time to time, but still retain the view that CV databases are not yet mature enough for the difficult to fill roles requiring quality candidates. |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Shell |
| Date: | Tuesday, 27th Mar 2007 10:52 |
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Do not even consider Monster as an option you will get stuck in there 12 months contract. With no flexibility to get out as they have no get out clause. As a solo recruiter at the start i found that using as many free trials to build your name on the google database is worth considering, also totaljobs i found to be really cost effective with a good all round database and excellent traffic to jobsites, will really depend on your sector.
Shell |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Dave |
| Date: | Tuesday, 27th Mar 2007 13:44 |
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Guys anyone of you interested in responding to my thread Jobboards have had their day - I'm just getting a load of jobsworths replying at the minute.
Sorry to cut in on your thread.....I have just had it with job-boards trying to make you feel inferior because your not advertising with them! |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Interested |
| Date: | Tuesday, 27th Mar 2007 14:41 |
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Quote:- "i found that using as many free trials to build your name on the google database is worth considering"
Conclusion:- This is why the likes of wanthatjob went to the wall - due to freeloading recruiters. The more boards doing it the more that will go to the wall and the more money they will waste on recruiters that are looking for free rides.
The sooner that job boards drop offering free advertising the better all it does is cheapen the industry and feed the freeloaders that dont want to pay for anything - i think this concept will be short lived anyway because online costs are increasing and boards that are any good dont need to give away free adverting.
I dont know which board started this free advertising mentality but name me one other industry where you get free advertising?. If you phoned up a daily newspaper and asked for free job advertising in next Thursdays edition to "Trial" them Out, i dont think you need me to tell you what their reply would be - why should online be any different
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Anthony Sharot |
| Date: | Wednesday, 28th Mar 2007 15:50 |
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The other obvious free job board is http://www.reed.co.uk, one of the largest, as well as being free.
With regard to the value of job boards, it all depends on what type of candidates you're after. The large generalist boards, tend to perform badly for specialist skill sets in a candidate driven marketplace; such as currently found widely across IT and banking and finance.
You will still receive plenty of responses to entry level roles, but is that what you're looking for?
For rarer skill sets try http://www.LinkedIn.com, Zoom info, Google or even good old fashioned networking. - You can go to quite few events for the price of a few ads on any major job board!
Anthony Sharot
http://www.writecvs.co.uk
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | PJ |
| Date: | Wednesday, 28th Mar 2007 16:58 |
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Lets be honest we are all freeloaders of one kind or another - flicking and fliiting around the Internet looking for the cheapest holiday or camera. And if we got something for nothing would we turn it down. Would we heck? I always smile when I hear people accuse others of being free loaders . ' Oh the reason my enterprise failed of course was all because of those pesky freeloaders, incredibly they failed to see how brilliant my product was. (No mate, the reason your business failed was because your project was badly planned, ill thought out, poorly financed, over amibitious and ultimately doomed to failure.)
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Dean |
| Date: | Wednesday, 28th Mar 2007 17:49 |
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It's a catch 22 situation. Firstly, if there are no ads on the jobsite nobody's going to use it. Secondly, if nobody uses it, no recruiter is going to throw money down the drain to advertise on it.
The free trail serves both the job board and the recruiter. It enables the job board to populate the site with ads, thus enabling candidate traffiic to be directed towards a site that actually offers value. Secondly, it generates goodwill with the recruitment firm and if it delivers good candidates the recruiter is more than likely going to continue to use it.
Without the free trial you could pretty much assume that there wouldn't be any job boards.
In response to Interested's comment re advertising in the newspaper, the newspaper has a limited amount of space and offers a wide reader base due to providing a news service. Job boards have virtually unlimited space and don't provide much in the way of useful, readable information other than job ads.
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Interested |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Mar 2007 00:02 |
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Dean,
You are very wrong. It doesnt help the job board one bit by having it populated with free adverts in the longer term - this is where some boards get it wrong and why they go out of business.
Better to have a lower job count of paying customers with high visitors hence providing a better responce rate to those paying customers than have the paid clients adverts being diluted by the free loaders. Sure job seekers want to see a wide selection of jobs but then again they want the right job for them.
Having a wide selection of jobs doesnt in its self bring job seekers to your board, having your site feature in the search engines and relevent sites on the net and other forms of brand awareness does.
Anyone can give away free advertising - converting those freeloaders to paying is where the skill is. Frankly the job board that offers free advertising is in effect chucking good money of its own at a recruiter that in many cases is not going to pay anything and that is a waste of resource. Also, in the majority of cases free is not valued.
If Reed went to a fee paying model even if it was £500 a year to a recruiter their job posting numbers would fall off the side of a cliff. It has 250,000 jobs on it (more than any other job board) and thats because it is free. As it is they do free advertising because it supports their own business (every CV you get, they do) and it keeps the Reed Recruitment brand in the spot light. ( ie i found the job on reed recruitments site, dont remember the recruiter that sent me to the interview but thats where i saw the job advertised!) and its means every recruiter in the land supports them and thats another reason why they are better than all other recruiters - thats the pay off for Reed, nothing is free and they know how to play you recruiters to their advantage!
Also, a short free trial is a waste of time as a recruiter needs a good period to source the candidate and place them. Second a short trial often means they will place the jobs they cant fill and so the job board doesnt get a cross section of postings, so short free trials are often a waste of time and dont do either party any good.
In all the job board need to say, this is the cost take it or leave it no free advertising.This removes the free loaders and those that pay get the responces. If the recruiter doesnt want to pay move onto ones that will. If a new board is that desperate for job posts they could always offer the top recruiter in their sector free posting but if they keep showing up where a recruiter needs to find a candidate in time that recruiter would be daft not to at least pay for a few adverts to see the responce level. To open a stall saying post for free, free trial available is devaluing the job board and at the same time attracting hoards of recruiters that use the likes of reed that wont pay for anything and ultimately the job baord may as well not have their business - its worthless.
Without free trails a number of boards that are any good would be more profitable and they would still be in business.
As for limited space in newspapers, frankly they have loads of space (due to the migration to online) if daily Mail had a massive influx of job adverts the job section could be increased ten fold - the fact is they struggle to sell the space due to the expence of it compared to online alternatives - now if it was free the newspaper would be full of job adverts!!!!
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Dean |
| Date: | Thursday, 29th Mar 2007 11:43 |
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Interested, I didn't say in the longer term, I was referring to an up and coming job board that needs to develop brand awareness. Obviously when the brand is established what I said ceases to be true but the job board has to get to that stage first.
Secondly, with reference to the newspaper, I was inferring to print media and not online media. Sure they could increase the size of the paper but who wants to read something the size of a phone book containing 40,000 ads? Print media also costs a hell of a lot more to produce than an online ad.
I actually feel that the results that job boards deliver are becoming worse. I get virtually no ad response from online advertising at all and the CV databases are full of the same old candidates. |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Mark CE |
| Date: | Wednesday, 4th Apr 2007 15:20 |
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I started jobtube.com in 2000 as an experiment in offering free job advertising. At the time jobserve were handing out daily copies of their database to job seekers of which I was one. That is to say, I was an IT contractor; always on the lookout for the next position.
It started as an effort to gather the towns near to where I live, and to display all Jobserve's jobs near me, arranged by location. At that time there was NO geographical awareness in job boards, including Jobserve. So a job seeker would have to literally think of every possible nearby location and search for jobs in that location if they didn't want to miss an opportunity.
Not only that, locations entered in free text format were often mis-spelt. I built a lookup table for regular mis-spellings so that I wouldn't miss jobs in "Wnidsor" or "City o f Lodon"
Then it dawned on me that this concept could be powerful all over the country, and beneficial for other job seekers. I used a table of latitude/longitude values for all the towns in the UK, to calculate which towns where near which other towns, and Jobtube was born. I built Jobtube, using Jobserve's jobs!
But Jobtube wasn't built as a money-making enterprise. I didn't want paid advertising. I just wanted to help!!
It worked wonderfully; Jobtube was aimed locally, well written for search engine optimisation, and was soon hitting number one for every IT job title under the sun, at local levels. I still have reports from 2002 showing Jobtube at position one in Yahoo and Google for "Manchester Jobs", "java developer jobs London" etc. Almost any combination of job title and town you could think of, and jobtube were top.
My success became my downfall, when Jobserve's clients began asking Jobserve "what is jobtube, and why are my jobs on it?" The problem for Jobserve was, JobTUBE was providing a better interface to Jobserve's jobs than was Jobserve itself! They threatened legal action and I was too nervous to defy... I'm not sure they had a leg to stand on, but I wasn't willing to test my hunch in court!
By this time, jobtube had built up a settled army of satisfied job seekers, whom I didn't want to disappoint. I began to seek out further advertisers; to integrate with multi-posting services. But this took time. The days of top positions on Google have long gone; months with no jobs didn't help.
I am at this moment deciding whether to kill Jobtube off or whether to invest. I am implementing a system whereby Quality recruiters can pay for their jobs to get priority listing on Jobtube, in a very granular way. The income from this to be invested in promoting Jobtube to job seekers. I would very much appreciate comments on this venture.
So: sorry if some of you think I am destroying the industry! I can see your point. But I don't just let any advertisement through - jobs are checked, recruiters are deprecated in the lists if their jobs are regularly duplicated, or are just of poor quality.
I personally am proud of Jobtube and its Free Advertising heritage.
But should I stay or should I go?
Mark CE |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | JobBoardOwner |
| Date: | Wednesday, 4th Apr 2007 15:49 |
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Hi Mark,
If you stay you will need deep pockets and have to dedicate your life to the business the market has moved on significantly since 2000
To resurrect jobtube to its former glory its going to take some doing. Because it’s been offline for so long in effect you have already killed it off. The PR4 is very low to rank for the more serious keywords and the space is now very saturated. To get back up to the top it’s going to need a heck of a lot of work.
If you are thinking of using revenue from recruiters to support the traffic flows you have zero chance of making the concept work. Its almost like starting again for you only to buy in traffic is now ridiculously expensive compared to what it used to be.
If you want to chat outside the forum contact me in the first instance at my disposable email dave140905@yahoo.co.uk and I will make contact with you. If you are serious you may have a chance, but not on the basis of recruiter funding.
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | NoName |
| Date: | Saturday, 23rd Jun 2007 20:42 |
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Hi Mark, I know it's been sometime since you posted here and- sorry to hear jobtube got hit, but why don't you re-invent it like the YouTube concept. Jobseekers post live video CVs and recruiters pay to access them. The videos will be linked to the actual CVs and indexed. It can be a pay-per-view model. It may be best to focus on high-end job seekers then open it to all wanabees.
Just a thought. |
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| Re: Cost Of Posting. |
| Author: | Power2.0ThePeople |
| Date: | Monday, 25th Jun 2007 13:37 |
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A very one sided view Dean.
There's a very strong argument for free posting (your one) and a very strong argument against free job postings, the one you missed.
I like jobsters new format, pay per CV. $5 A CV and like pay per click you can put a limit to how many you can receive.
Pretty cool.
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